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on this episode of skeptico

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show about being right yeah but am I

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wrong are we gonna split hairs here no

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that's right a show about being right

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explain to me since you're in that camp

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how do they explain away the gain of

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function research no idea I hope that

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the audience listen to this has gained

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some value from what I have said but I

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would be going into areas I just don't

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have a clue about if I even went there

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honestly rationally logically how does

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that make any sense to you

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I don't know I just can't look because

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two years ago the whole no virus thing

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at all didn't make sense to me so I I

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just don't know

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that first clip was of course from The

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Big Lebowski and the second was from the

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spirited dialogue I had with Richard Cox

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from the deep State Consciousness

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podcast

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stick around this is a classic skeptica

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no two ways about that

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics

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I'm your host Alexa Caris and I guess I

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ought to own it

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I like being right

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so uh

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um just rolling but I'm not sure quite

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how we should do this so I'm kind of

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open to any uh

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any suggestions you have and I mean I

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can yeah whatever you think I can start

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it you can start it

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well I suspect you're looking to

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understand how I've jumped the shark so

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to speak how I've seems very irrational

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to you right and and what will be good

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to come out of this I suppose it's not I

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think you know to decide whether viruses

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exist or not might be a little ambitious

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for the two of us sitting here but to

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decide what a sensible way to ask these

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questions are and how we can come to see

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that differently and why this division

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arises and other things like the role of

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then psyops and that kind of thing and

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what do we do about that that might be

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an interesting way to go then

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yeah you know I was uh I was actually

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talking to uh Rob from the skeptical

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Forum a couple days ago and I was saying

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you know this turns out to be kind of to

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me and it has been like

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it's made me rethink everything about

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skeptico

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it's made me rethink about all the

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interviews I've done over the years and

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all those factors of psyot because you

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know you have jumped the shark here I

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mean you've left the logic of your own

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shows we both interviewed this guy

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Michael Wallach who made this film The

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Viral delusion to me when I interviewed

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the guy I was like

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this no virus stuff is absurd and and my

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goal in the interview was just to

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show how absurd It Is by using an

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extreme example of like okay so then you

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guys think like rabies doesn't exist and

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dogs don't really start foaming at the

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mouth because they have this viral

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infection that's been known for hundreds

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so I was going to the Absurd right to

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kind of show how crazy this thing is and

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as you know from that show I when I sent

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him the email I I was like stunned

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because he emails me back and goes yeah

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you know I made up this fictional story

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about my dog who who had rabies when I

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was a kid and he goes yeah man your dog

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didn't have rabies your dog must had

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worms because there's no such thing as

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rabies rabies isn't a disease it isn't a

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viral disease it doesn't

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and I was just like so I did the show

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just to kind of show

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how these guys have worked themselves

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into this crazy space and then the

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really the next level stuff is is that

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potentially a psyop to kind of cover

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what's going on with covid

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but then lo and behold you'd do the

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interview with Wallach and you'll start

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saying the same thing maybe rabies

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doesn't exist I mean do you share that

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do you like say that to people in the

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real world outside of this Echo chamber

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that we're in do you ever say that that

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hey I'm coming to think that maybe

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rabies isn't really

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oh yesterday I did a public showing of

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one of Michael's episodes of episode two

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of the viral delusion just a couple of

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but see I think it gets hidden in there

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right so you're willing to share with

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people that you think maybe rabies

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and you're willing to share like you're

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open about the fact that you're not sure

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that covid is a viral disease yes and

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that the the flu that you've gotten

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since you're a kid you know sometimes

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and you you go to the doctor and they

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say well and give you antibiotics no not

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for this you know you gotta beat it

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yourself with like all that is out the

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window

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saying is it should be on the table like

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I think the no virus Camp I've

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transitioned in my mind from hearing

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about it the first time and thinking oh

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okay this is The Lunatic Fringe of the

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cobit

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era like the the no planes hit the

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Pentagon or the no planes at the Twin

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Towers they were Holograms that was The

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Lunatic Fringe of the 911 era and no

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virus it's like no terrorist no Al-Qaeda

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conspiracy so we will push that off to

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one side ignore that and carry on

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something more sensible

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I've done I've transitioned from that

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point to thinking oh I've made a mistake

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here that they're they're not The

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Lunatic Fringe they're actually

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re-looking at the whole Paradigm of

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virology and asking the most logical

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critical and penetrating questions of

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anyone so I think they should be firmly

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on the table I'm not saying they're

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ultimately correct about everything and

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I don't think even they say or a lot of

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them wouldn't say we can absolutely

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prove there is netherovirus ever because

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that I mean that's a extremely high bar

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and not being in biomedical Sciences

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myself I can imagine that I will get to

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my my death and departure from this

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world without ever being able to like

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firmly come down on the side of the line

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and saying I know this was certain about

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this but as regards an interesting

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um the introduction of a valuable

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well be true yes I think it's firmly on

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the table they've crossed that line for

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me why I take it very seriously

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okay so like did you get coveted

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described by everybody else textbook

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muscular pain for a few hours and then

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it that backed off and I was kind of

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while and that that died off more slowly

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then like textbook of Omicron symptoms

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so I had covet I'm a healthy guy eat

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healthy you know live healthy but my

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daughter got it you know when she was in

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college and she came home and then my

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wife got it and then a few days later I

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got it and then my brother-in-law got it

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we both had kind of classic symptoms

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exactly you know and the respiratory

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thing and you know that and it went just

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just right along with the the schedule

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lasted a long time worst flu I can

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now that people that you're in bed with

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and you interviewed some of them on your

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show they say no you didn't you didn't

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have the flu

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they they because there's there's no

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environment what happens yes what is now

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your understanding of what happened to

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you and what happened to me since it

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wasn't viral well I don't know I think

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this is one of the maybe weaker points

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of the no virus thesis if you like uh

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yeah you say you had it your wife had

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you done so there seems to be

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transmission going on and I don't

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discount that what I had could have been

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a virus it could have been the covet

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virus okay but I'm open to the person

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yes do no I don't you do discount it you

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do discount it because you you can't see

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this is the like one of the things that

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I was hoping we could kind of talk about

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because these are the logical fallacies

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and that's why I say it relates back to

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the whole skeptical thing from the

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beginning when you know years ago and

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we've known each other for a long time

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and I like the one thing I want to say

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at the beginning of this anyone go back

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I have a ton of respect for you and for

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your work and for your Mastery of these

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topics that's why I've had you on

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skeptico and that's why I've always

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spoken so highly of you because I just

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do so that's what makes this

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particularly interesting to me because

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if you can jump the shark if you can be

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influenced by the syopy nonsense then

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it's not it just puts it in a different

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different category for me and it just

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causes it causes me to think about it uh

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differently but the point I was going to

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make and I kind of rambled on there so

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maybe I slipped in some things you want

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to kind of address but it's like this

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idea that I can be neutral I can be

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agnostic is is doesn't hold it doesn't

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hold scientifically for you to maintain

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that maybe you did have the virus or

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maybe you didn't have the virus is to

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deny all this tons of science that that

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tells you exactly what happened to you

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and millions of other people and

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explains it in a way that is scientific

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you're challenging that you're just

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being kind of like well I don't know

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kind of I'm just being open you know but

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no you're challenging all that oh yeah

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no I'm not just like fence sitting in

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the sense of like oh could be this could

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be that I don't know I really don't have

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any opinion maybe the Earth is round

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maybe the Earth is flat who knows I am

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my transmission position has been from

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if you'd ask me that question a year ago

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and I'd have got cool with the year

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before let's just let's just say I would

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have firmly said oh yeah I had I had a

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virus of course and and I would have

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described my childhood experiences of

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measles as being virus I just wouldn't

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vend in my head to question that and

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that's what shifted for me it's not

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completely gone I don't completely deny

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that possibility but this whole all the

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completely different way of looking

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what's at what's going on there and I

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reasons you can put forward that point

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to Serious substantial holes in the

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viral hypothesis there are serious

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substantial holes in virology but back

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to what you're saying

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you are obligated to explain what

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happened to you what happened to me what

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happened to all these folks common

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symptoms

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right down the list you need an

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alternative theory for how that could

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possibly be because it's your direct

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experience and my direct experience

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yeah but I don't I mean look you might

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get someone here who from the the no

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virus Camp who can put forward a more

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solid argument my case is I don't think

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the power the the hypothesis on what's

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going on with things like covert is

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massively overwhelmingly strong it

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wouldn't have convinced me okay so you

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could say well maybe it's a

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detoxification okay I got it in January

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I do tend to drink more in December so

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maybe my body is detoxifying I don't

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know it doesn't sound any more

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compelling to me than it was a virus as

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a theory okay or just a point to another

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week for it spot uh chickenpox parties

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okay so parents have this anecdotal

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experience that if you take your kids

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around to a house of kid wear chickenpox

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they will also catch chickenpox now you

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need to explain that and I asked my

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recent guest Daniel Thomson Mills who

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who had really researched Tom Cowan's

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work and Tom Cowan's notion on this is

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well maybe it's resonance right that if

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a child is going through a

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detoxification process all the children

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come into resonance the way women come

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into resonance with their menstrual

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cycles and maybe that's true to me that

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sounds as special relative if not more

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than it's a virus that's doing it so I

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just don't think there's a good

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accounting for that in the in the no

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virus Paradigm as to how these things

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how people seem to pick these things up

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in groups or sometimes there is like

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with scurvy people get on a ship and

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they all catch the red it's curvy and it

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goes around and the next people go and

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come on the ship and they pass over and

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they get the scurvy virus and it seems

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like it's a virus so sometimes you can

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account for how people seem to have

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viruses and when they don't when there's

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this group contagion effect but in other

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in other cases I don't think it's always

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strong I don't think the no virus

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Paradigm is a complete explanation of

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why disease and dysfunction arise in the

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human body

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um but equally I think the viral

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Paradigm has substantially bigger holes

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in places

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different places

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and that's what I mean about Jumping the

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Shark right so seven years ago I think

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it's seven years ago at this point I did

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this show on skeptico you remember this

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the title is UN says African-American

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women 20 times more likely for HIV AIDS

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are they racist or just stupid and it

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was an interview with this guy Dr Henry

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Bauer from Virginia Tech and he was on

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to exactly what you're talking about is

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that our understanding of viruses is

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very very incomplete

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and it's led us into some rather uh

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wacky politically driven psyopy driven

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conclusions one of which was this

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connection between HIV and AIDS so what

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this guy did is phenomenal and actually

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he's just in this book he was reporting

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on the work of other people who had

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pointed this out but they were using

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information collected by the United

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States military because when you join

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the military they test do you have HIV

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do you have AIDS and they found this

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anomaly that completely crushes the idea

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of this direct connection between HIV

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and AIDS and that is that

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African-American women were 20 times

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more likely so he was pointing to what

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you're pointing to is that we have a

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very incomplete understanding of how

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viruses How germs if you will work and

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this work that our body does to keep all

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this stuff stable and healthy and all

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that stuff

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but the jump the shark moment is the

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Michael Wallach moment it's the no

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there's no viruses or Tom Cowen who I

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had on the show it was just a complete

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and like he says stuff like

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they've never isolated the virus and I

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said well here's seven scientists who

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say they've isolated the the virus

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here's a guy in Saskatchewan Canada a

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doctor who used to work with camels in

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Saudi Arabia for viruses that cross from

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animals to people and he goes well I I

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don't believe it and uh he needs to tell

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the CDC and all just all this nonsense

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it's the classic kind of flat earthy

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science where the standard then becomes

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you have to convince me if you don't

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convince me to my satisfaction then it

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isn't true when just common sense would

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tell you that Richard you had covid I

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had coveted my wife had covered my

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daughter my brother-in-law my

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father-in-law

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died of covid now I don't usually throw

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that out there because I don't know if

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he really died of covid but he was in a

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a nursing home in Alabama and he got

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sick and tested him and it came up covet

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and he died I don't make a too big of a

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deal out of that as a kind of a lead

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with oh my God somebody close to me died

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because they said he was going to die a

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year or two ago and it it took a good

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strong flu to kind of put him over I'm

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not trying to be insensitive but you

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know that's the facts of it

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you understand that to anyone who's

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listening to this just kind of

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rationally they'd say gee Richard you

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got to offer some way for how that could

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explain it's not detoxification that

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doesn't that doesn't fit with you know

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your body was detoxing and my body was

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detoxing and all these people you know

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we could trace the number and the the

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spread of it and the whole thing and

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everyone's detoxing or some other kind

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of environmental stuff it you understand

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saying that that just

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I don't think it's pivotal okay and I

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can understand why you might disagree

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with that but what I think the no virus

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idea is is a competing Paradigm and I

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don't think paradigms necessarily

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explain all the facts I think we're if

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you look at it in a Cooney and Thomas

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sense we've I've moved in my mind

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from the place of virology being the

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dominant Paradigm to now the arising of

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a complete competing Paradigm both of

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which have explanations for some facts

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so

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if I can monologue for a minute maybe on

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how I got here

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with the HIV thing so I obviously going

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years back to when you did it on

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skeptical and before was aware that

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there was this idea that HIV didn't

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cause AIDS or wasn't directly connected

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or there was something a bit funny there

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and that seemed as the years went by to

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have more and more validity because you

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don't see the mass die-offs that were

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predicted in the 80s but I didn't pay

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too much attention to this stuff until

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the cover team are all forced to look at

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viruses and I went back and forth

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reading the work of Peter duesberg the

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microbiologist who is probably the most

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prominent figure along with Carrie

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Mullis the uh the inventor of the PCR

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test on denying that connection between

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HIV and AIDS so it seems to me to be the

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case it seems to me that people in the

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80s were destroying their immune systems

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by a heavy drug lifestyle and then the

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drug AZT came along and it seems

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undeniable at the dose as it was being

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handed out at this is Anthony fauci's

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drug it was killing people who had

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positive HIV tests and there was deaths

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are being involved as AIDS so that would

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be something of a problem for

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virologists but okay maybe it's a

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one-off maybe that was one mistake and

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they were right up all the others but

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then when I looked at polio you have

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this inert virus that lives in human

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beings for thousands of years doing

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nothing and then at exactly the moment

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people start spraying lead arsenate

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everywhere polio mutates and becomes a

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virus that paralyzes people and that

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continues in the first world but not the

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third world when they're not spraying

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these things until lead arsenate and DDT

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are banned at which point polio falls

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off cliff and then a vaccine comes in

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which takes the credit for that but at

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the same time DDT is being sprayed in

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the third world now and polio shoots

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through the roof and you see it being

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renamed and relabeled so and and then

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the third point for me would be the um

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the vaccination program I don't think

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you can divorce this from

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um questions of whether virus or

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questions of The credibility of virology

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as a science that if you were to ask a

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nephrologist how did the vaccination

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program contribute to the Dakota these

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diseases I'm going to say the vast vast

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majority of them will think it's massive

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or think they were the primary factors

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in the decline whereas what we actually

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see is a death rate from whooping carp

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and measles and and so on was down 98 99

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before the introduction of vaccinations

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so increasingly then

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virology looks like a shaky science in

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all these points and at some point you

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think well if something has got that

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many holes in it maybe it's not just the

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odd mistake here and there maybe there's

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something fundamentally wrong with the

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Paradigm that at least in the case of of

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AIDS and poliomyelitis we're not looking

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at a virus there's something else and a

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virologist can be wrong about that

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why not measles why not smallpox and why

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not covet and that brings me to then the

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idea that a lot of the covert deaths

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which I was convinced was was viral

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induced were electrogenic we're

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medically induced

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during the early part of 2020 and

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onwards and there and that was the big

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shock of me when I saw that I can't put

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a number to it right it's very hard to

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get a number to it wasn't 100 was it

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less than that but it seems like through

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things like the inappropriate use of

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ventilators uh end of life Pathways

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which Britain is famous for running to

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excess and drugs like midazoland it

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seems like a lot of people were killed

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by their doctors during the early

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quarter of the um the second quarter of

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2020 and when those death spikes are

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occurring so when you add all this up

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virology has so many holes in that maybe

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it's a sinking ship maybe there's

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something wrong with the very

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fundamentals and that what we're looking

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at what what scientists are looking at

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when they're staring down the electron

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microscopes and identifying particles

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and the the virus people and the no

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virus people both agree on what is being

545
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:05,100
seen they're pointing to the same things

546
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,960
but they have a fundamentally different

547
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,880
interpretation of what those things are

548
00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:10,320
that they're either an infectious viral

549
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,419
agent or they're the effects of

550
00:20:15,770 --> 00:20:13,919
toxification what you're seeing is dying

551
00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:15,780
tissue there and I just simply don't

552
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,700
know which one of those ideas is correct

553
00:20:21,409 --> 00:20:19,320
at the moment but I know the no virus

554
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:21,419
people can point to a lot of areas where

555
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:22,679
they have scored and scored big time

556
00:20:28,610 --> 00:20:25,200
against the virologists yeah but this is

557
00:20:31,370 --> 00:20:28,620
again the to jump the shark thing like I

558
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,380
just told you you know the the guy I had

559
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:33,840
on who's you got to say he's a

560
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,660
mainstream guy he's Virginia Tech Henry

561
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:38,880
Bauer the other one that I was gonna you

562
00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,840
know bring to your attention because

563
00:20:44,150 --> 00:20:42,120
we've talked about it as well is you

564
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:44,160
know Dr Mary's monkey

565
00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:47,340
just a fantastic book Edward Haslam and

566
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:48,900
you said when I brought this up to you

567
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,480
that you've you've read this book well

568
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:53,700
I don't know how you could read this

569
00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:57,120
book and not see the subtlety involved

570
00:21:02,270 --> 00:20:59,460
in what we're talking about here and

571
00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:02,280
that is that just to recap the story on

572
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:05,220
Dr Mary's monkey is they're trying to

573
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:08,240
develop a polio vaccine because

574
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,679
despite everything that you're saying

575
00:21:14,049 --> 00:21:12,480
and I'm not saying that some of that

576
00:21:19,330 --> 00:21:14,059
isn't true

577
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:19,340
polio was the most feared disease in the

578
00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:23,280
1940s 1950s right it was

579
00:21:26,930 --> 00:21:25,380
mothers would keep their kids in from

580
00:21:28,250 --> 00:21:26,940
school not send them out so they don't

581
00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,260
get polio and they don't wind up with

582
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,780
these braces these metal braces all over

583
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:34,080
their legs and it was the most feared

584
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:38,159
disease and when Saul comes along and

585
00:21:45,529 --> 00:21:42,780
says I have the vaccine for polio it was

586
00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:45,539
like a life-changing event if you read

587
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:47,640
the stories about the history there were

588
00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:50,340
actually the reporters were weeping in

589
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:52,860
the at the press conference because this

590
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:54,659
was such a breakthrough from science

591
00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:56,280
that we could do this all this stuff

592
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,919
right so notwithstanding a lot of the

593
00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:00,720
stuff you're saying the history I always

594
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,100
talk about I've talked with you about

595
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:05,039
this on the show it's like documented

596
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:08,880
history is this guy Ochsner in Louisiana

597
00:22:12,890 --> 00:22:11,159
now he's going to manufacture this

598
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:12,900
vaccine and he's going to make a bunch

599
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:16,020
of money eventually this woman in charge

600
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:19,320
of testing the vaccines which is going

601
00:22:24,289 --> 00:22:21,480
to make Ochsner just tons and tons and

602
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,299
tons of money she stands up and says uh

603
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,120
you know hate to mention this but in my

604
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,280
lab some of the monkeys we've been

605
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:32,280
testing the vaccine on are dying or

606
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:35,159
getting really sick and he goes no

607
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,900
couldn't be couldn't be couldn't be

608
00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:39,120
happening this is like covet vaccine

609
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:40,860
repeated which has turned out to be

610
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,900
incredibly incredibly dangerous if you

611
00:22:45,649 --> 00:22:44,280
see now the health effects that are

612
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:45,659
happening which again completely

613
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,299
contradicts your model cannot sustain

614
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:51,840
this no virus thing and at the same time

615
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:56,220
explain how the vaccine which is based

616
00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:57,419
on the virus

617
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,100
could be causing all these health

618
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,960
effects but back to the story with

619
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:04,320
Ochsner Ochsner is looking at losing

620
00:23:08,930 --> 00:23:07,380
millions and millions of dollars if his

621
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:08,940
vaccine because there's competing

622
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:11,100
vaccine companies that are developing

623
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:14,640
this if his vaccine is shown to be

624
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:17,940
dangerous so he puts this big public

625
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,799
demonstration and again this is history

626
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,659
you can see pictures of this guy and

627
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,280
pictures of his kids and stuff like that

628
00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:25,260
he does this public demonstration where

629
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:28,919
he says I will inject the vaccine into

630
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:31,260
two of my grandkids

631
00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,260
right here on stage he does

632
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:37,740
one of them dies within 24 hours

633
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,220
the other is permanently injured in a

634
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:44,400
severe way bipolio

635
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:49,320
so this little story which is like a

636
00:23:52,330 --> 00:23:50,700
true account people were there people

637
00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:52,340
report on it

638
00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:56,039
demonstrates how stupid the no virus

639
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,980
thing is but at the end of the day to

640
00:24:03,289 --> 00:24:01,200
suggest that there is no virus or to get

641
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,299
into camp with these people what really

642
00:24:09,890 --> 00:24:06,000
bothers me and the whole reason for this

643
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:09,900
thing is it just opens the door for what

644
00:24:15,649 --> 00:24:13,080
they really want to do which is be in

645
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,659
complete control of the scientific

646
00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:18,240
narrative around in this case covid

647
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,700
because if they can do the divide and

648
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,039
Rule thing if they can get people in

649
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:25,860
this there is no virus Camp they've

650
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,679
taken them off the table they are off

651
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:30,720
the table from public debate from

652
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,240
rational discussion because no one takes

653
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,580
that seriously

654
00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:37,679
well just to the the polio vaccine point

655
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,720
I was watching that exact thing in

656
00:24:46,010 --> 00:24:42,179
episode two of Mike wallach's

657
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:46,020
documentaries public showing fit and

658
00:24:49,549 --> 00:24:47,580
if I was to talk to someone from the

659
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:49,559
novirus camp who's really studied this

660
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:50,940
next bit that would be exactly my

661
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,400
question Alex it's okay if it's not a

662
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,159
virus why did people receiving the polio

663
00:25:01,070 --> 00:24:58,880
vaccine have the same symptoms as

664
00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:01,080
poliomyelitis like you'd think that just

665
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:02,280
if it was just some random tissue

666
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:03,299
they're injecting you'd think they'd

667
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:04,860
have something different happen to them

668
00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:06,120
like people getting the covert vaccine

669
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,799
it's a problem with the myocarditis is

670
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,840
meant to be the thing so I don't know

671
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,240
that right that's a good question it was

672
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,820
a question that I thought of but it

673
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:15,960
doesn't change the fact that

674
00:25:21,649 --> 00:25:18,900
poliomyelitis correlates so tightly with

675
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:21,659
environmental poisons and

676
00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:24,419
in terms of where it arises both in time

677
00:25:29,930 --> 00:25:28,020
and in geography so

678
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,940
that seems like a much more likely

679
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,799
Paradigm to explain

680
00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,480
this condition of paralysis that was

681
00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,700
happening in children than an inert

682
00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,799
virus that's lived in human beings for

683
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:39,720
thousands of years randomly mutating

684
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:43,080
into a deadly by or paralyzing virus at

685
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:44,580
exactly the moment we start spraying all

686
00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:45,779
the food with chemicals we know

687
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,820
paralyzed people and then going away at

688
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,919
exactly the moment we stop paralyzing uh

689
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,840
spraying the food of chemicals we know

690
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:53,460
paralyzed people that just seems like

691
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:55,260
too much of a coincidence

692
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,700
so

693
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,559
Michael if I can put a question to you

694
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,419
you answer it now in a minute

695
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:02,520
if there are these problems of ferology

696
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:04,679
both in terms of the vaccination program

697
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:07,020
being greatly exaggerated like massively

698
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,940
exaggerated in its efficacy and that

699
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,620
being something that biologists would

700
00:26:14,930 --> 00:26:12,480
support the vaccinations and if it is

701
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:14,940
true that HIV does not cause AIDS if it

702
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,679
is true the poliomyelitis is not caused

703
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,720
by a virus and if it's true that a good

704
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,059
proportion perhaps all of the uh cover

705
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:23,760
deaths were eratrogenic doctor-induced

706
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,700
how many sins would you allow the

707
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,799
virologists to commit how many times

708
00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:30,720
were you allow them to be wrong before

709
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:32,580
you would say well okay maybe they're

710
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:34,200
wrong about something else like maybe

711
00:26:37,789 --> 00:26:36,179
it's measles maybe it's rabies but it's

712
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:37,799
not like they're just wrong about the

713
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,760
things you can prove right now if

714
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:39,600
they're wrong about all this they're

715
00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:40,500
gonna have one of the others wrong

716
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:42,179
surely and if they can have one of the

717
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,380
others wrong then it could be two or

718
00:26:46,850 --> 00:26:45,360
three and at what point do you have to

719
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,860
say you know I think there is something

720
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:49,080
potentially wrong with the underpinning

721
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:50,880
virology Paradigm what would be your

722
00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:53,940
point of falsification for virology

723
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,520
where you'd at least question it this is

724
00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:58,919
my job is to take each one of those

725
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,620
cases and break them down and find out

726
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,080
where the truth is and follow the data

727
00:27:09,409 --> 00:27:07,020
so are there serious problems with

728
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:09,419
stretching how far and how effective

729
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,159
vaccines are

730
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,919
absolutely what about the anti-vaxxer

731
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:15,960
you know five years ago the big issue

732
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:20,159
was uh the danger of vaccines which I

733
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:21,240
think has

734
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,100
it like I Stumble over this that is like

735
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,340
a super important topic to me the danger

736
00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:30,960
of vaccines

737
00:27:38,390 --> 00:27:34,679
but I want you to realize what this no

738
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,400
virus psyop does to that

739
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,460
it completely Sidelines it you can't

740
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:42,960
have both

741
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:46,380
a few years ago the the hot topic was is

742
00:27:52,690 --> 00:27:49,980
MMR associated with autism is there a

743
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,700
connection and I think like

744
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:54,720
statistically I think that's been

745
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,900
established so before I go on and on do

746
00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:00,240
you get what I'm saying how from a

747
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:02,700
psyopy standpoint what a what an

748
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:06,320
effective move you got these these guys

749
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:09,299
slamming this no virus thing and it

750
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:11,880
completely Sidelines the dangers and the

751
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,100
risks of vaccines

752
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,080
well that isn't where they go with it

753
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:18,480
certainly they will be as critical

754
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:21,179
vaccinations as anyone now I'm not quite

755
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,220
sure but for different reasons for

756
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:26,159
different reasons look the underlying

757
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:28,140
science that I'm that I'm putting

758
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,700
forward that again you have to take a

759
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:31,860
stand on this one way or another is that

760
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:35,760
the danger of like the MMR vaccine is in

761
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:36,900
the vaccine

762
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,700
so what would that what would the germ

763
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:41,279
people the Nova how would the no virus

764
00:28:44,510 --> 00:28:42,779
that's exactly the question I have I

765
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:44,520
don't know did that it occurred to me

766
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:46,080
just the other day what's called why did

767
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,580
people were taking the polio vaccine get

768
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,500
polio-like symptoms it's a it's a good

769
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,240
question but at the same time and I'm

770
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,039
repeating myself here I can't ignore the

771
00:28:56,810 --> 00:28:54,720
tight correlation between poliomyelitis

772
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,820
and environmental poisons it just seems

773
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,740
just overwhelming to me

774
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,539
when those poisons are known to cause

775
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,299
paralysis

776
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,539
like even with the Flat Earth Alex I I

777
00:29:10,250 --> 00:29:08,580
made myself come up with a falsification

778
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:10,260
Point not because I think the Earth

779
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:11,820
might actually be flat but my concern

780
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:15,120
was if I'm just dismissive right I get

781
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:16,620
people commenting on my channel and

782
00:29:19,070 --> 00:29:18,000
occasionally rising to me saying hey you

783
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:19,080
should really cover the flatter if you

784
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,760
need to take it and I look at like

785
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,320
they're writing and what they link to me

786
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,779
and so far it's all been ridiculous it's

787
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:25,980
been people going down to the beach and

788
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,500
going oh look it's like me so I've never

789
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:31,440
and gone further with it and I I really

790
00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:33,419
I refuse to cover Flat Earth as a

791
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,860
science right because I just don't

792
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,260
accept that but I made myself think of

793
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,419
falsification points like okay what

794
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:41,039
would be what would convince me what

795
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,779
would make me reject the round of

796
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:44,279
Paradigm or at least put the Flat Earth

797
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:46,080
Paradigm on the table Yeah they went

798
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:47,520
outside and looked at the sun again and

799
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:49,559
I saw it actually disappearing into the

800
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,299
distance rather than setting okay well

801
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:53,460
that would be a thing and if I looked at

802
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:54,840
a ship and I saw that it didn't actually

803
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:58,320
like disappear the bottom first or if um

804
00:30:02,269 --> 00:29:59,820
if someone could demonstrate to me that

805
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:02,279
there was actually a 500-year satanic

806
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:04,020
conspiracy in the Catholic church on it

807
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,880
at some point to suppress the truth of

808
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:07,500
this and and there were some hidden CIA

809
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:09,000
documents about putting bases all around

810
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:10,679
the Arctic okay I want to have these

811
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,779
points again not because I think any of

812
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:14,279
this is true but because I think like if

813
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,140
I do if I just make assumptions there

814
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:17,520
I'll start making assumptions elsewhere

815
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:19,020
I'll dismiss other things and one day

816
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:21,059
I'll get it wrong so I made myself have

817
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:22,860
a falsification point for around Earth

818
00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:25,380
theory and in the same way I just think

819
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:26,460
you have to have some kind of

820
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:28,919
falsification point for virology say

821
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,360
well how many things is it allowed to

822
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:32,640
get wrong before you say maybe what they

823
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:34,020
think they're seeing down those electron

824
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:35,580
microscopes isn't what they're actually

825
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:36,779
seeing

826
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:39,480
yeah no tell us about your interview

827
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,820
with Dr Merrill Nas I've pulled it up on

828
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:43,919
the screen we've talked about it I

829
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:46,440
thought it was phenomenal it was super

830
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:50,640
important it was deeply scientific I

831
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,440
think for people to really follow it and

832
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:54,899
understand the subtleties of what she's

833
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:57,179
saying so tell us who she is and then

834
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:58,320
tell us about the interview because

835
00:31:02,269 --> 00:30:59,820
again this is something else that

836
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,279
completely contradicts your no virus

837
00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:04,140
thing okay Dr marinas has a background

838
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,220
working with the anthrax virus in some

839
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,620
security theater and

840
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:13,679
relevant to the covert story she was one

841
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:16,740
of the first people to realize and blow

842
00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:18,840
the whistle so to speak on the doses of

843
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,279
hydroxychloroquine that were being used

844
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,320
in Trials around the world and saying

845
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,539
hey these doses are far higher far

846
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,220
higher than what should be used break

847
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:28,140
that down a little bit that that whole

848
00:31:32,330 --> 00:31:29,220
thing because we're going to forget

849
00:31:35,389 --> 00:31:32,340
there's so many aspects to the covid

850
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,399
pandemic conspiracy that you know they

851
00:31:39,889 --> 00:31:37,380
they get lost at some point and also

852
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:39,899
remind us that uh this Dr Merrell she's

853
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:43,500
like super highly credentialed respected

854
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,100
not only as a physician in New York but

855
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,740
in all these multitude of research

856
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,320
papers panels fellowships super

857
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,080
absolutely and she comes out she comes

858
00:32:00,909 --> 00:31:58,380
out against the covid thing and man they

859
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:00,919
they go after her even

860
00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:03,720
like I can't remember the exact details

861
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:06,860
of her um biography or how her

862
00:32:11,570 --> 00:32:08,580
battles are going with medical

863
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:11,580
authorities in in station lives in and

864
00:32:15,169 --> 00:32:13,140
if it's gone to court or what's going on

865
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,179
but that's all been a thing she was

866
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,559
um I think struck off I think that's

867
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,720
what happened due to her promotion of

868
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,760
hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for

869
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:22,679
covid-19 she was a big supporter of that

870
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,320
but she Hardrock scoring is obviously

871
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:27,480
the drug that trump politicized it

872
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,340
became well made famous he became this

873
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,320
politicized role where Republicans loved

874
00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:33,720
it in Democratic Democrats hated if it

875
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,860
was based on whether you like Donald

876
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,600
Trump or not it was kind of crazy but

877
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:38,640
not a lot of people are aware that there

878
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,260
were really substantial trials went on

879
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,240
with hydroxychloroquine uh prior to

880
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:43,679
Donald Trump better mentioning it in

881
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:47,340
April May June of 2020 and Merrell nass

882
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,080
is one of the doctors who highlighted

883
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:51,360
the doses being used in these trials was

884
00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:54,360
uh toxic now the other one the interview

885
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:55,799
you brought on screen there wasn't my

886
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,899
interview maronas that was a a post

887
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,940
interview clip I made where I contrasted

888
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:01,919
her thoughts with the thoughts of Dr

889
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,860
class coaline who was a European Doctor

890
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:07,500
Who noticed the same thing and it's been

891
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:08,940
fed back to him that he may have

892
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:11,460
prevented hydroxychloro control hours in

893
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:13,500
Germany by going on the German media and

894
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,620
talking about the toxic doses so I did a

895
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,059
fair bit to establish that yes that is

896
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,460
indeed true that the doses were I think

897
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:22,080
depending how you look at it it's either

898
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:23,940
you can if you look at it a certain way

899
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,500
you can say it's like

900
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,380
um 900 more hydroxychloroquine was used

901
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,779
than is typical used in a trial and um

902
00:33:34,850 --> 00:33:32,880
the the trials were stopped and it ended

903
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,860
in Brazil it ended in a illegal case

904
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:36,720
okay but the question I wanted to pose

905
00:33:40,669 --> 00:33:38,700
to Dr Nas particularly on this look at

906
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,679
the controversy is that the book virus

907
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,440
Mania heavily implied that those trials

908
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:45,480
contributed to the excess mortality

909
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,820
scene in European countries so in Great

910
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,679
Britain for example you're seeing 10 000

911
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,360
excess deaths a week and there's the

912
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,799
heavy implication of virus mainly that

913
00:33:58,009 --> 00:33:55,260
the trials were part of that and um

914
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:58,019
Dr malinas said and I think she's

915
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:59,039
completely correct about this that's

916
00:34:03,049 --> 00:34:00,779
wrong okay because the the trials are

917
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:03,059
being run a few hundred people so as

918
00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,380
compared to the total mortality rate

919
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,299
it's a blip so I did that particularly

920
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,919
to get a critique off the no virus

921
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,139
position now I don't think it's dead in

922
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,720
the water okay because it could be and

923
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:14,159
the the book fires made it also

924
00:34:18,770 --> 00:34:16,200
indicates this that hydroxycora green

925
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,780
was being used at a dose comparable to

926
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,760
the trials in hospitals across Europe

927
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,379
European countries and that's one of the

928
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:24,000
reasons maybe several reasons why you

929
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:26,040
get like Spain has the biggest death

930
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,899
spike in Europe Portugal right next door

931
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,000
has nothing it's a complete flat line

932
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,520
um Germany has minimal minimal XS deaths

933
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:34,020
whereas France very high belgian's very

934
00:34:38,149 --> 00:34:36,599
high and apparently as I'm check this

935
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:38,159
directly but it's it's Switzerland

936
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:39,480
apparently breaks down according to the

937
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,060
cantons so the virus Mania Paradigm is

938
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:43,919
that the the death you're seeing our uh

939
00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:46,200
electrogenic um

940
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:48,060
um doctor induced mentally that's close

941
00:34:50,930 --> 00:34:49,740
Paradigm so really I was getting a

942
00:34:53,930 --> 00:34:50,940
critique of that because if that's true

943
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:53,940
then we need to get precise on what's

944
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,080
causing that and we can't say it's

945
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,119
trials if it's not and if it's not true

946
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,800
then we need to say okay well there was

947
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,359
this dangerous virus going around and

948
00:35:03,410 --> 00:35:02,160
Portugal avoided it by locking down on

949
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:03,420
time but there's obviously problems with

950
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,859
that because Sweden didn't lock down and

951
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:06,359
they got a mild hump in in the Care

952
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:09,480
Homes so I I was trying to shed light by

953
00:35:12,829 --> 00:35:11,220
trying to I think that's like really to

954
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,839
me establishing what caused those death

955
00:35:17,089 --> 00:35:15,599
spikes is the most important question in

956
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:17,099
the world because if there's not a big

957
00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:18,240
scary death Spike there's no

958
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,040
justification for masking lockdowns

959
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,800
compulsory vaccinations any of it so I

960
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,359
want to get precise on that even if the

961
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,460
like the answers to come back

962
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:28,079
um contradict the position that I'm

963
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:29,940
investigating that they were iatrogenic

964
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:32,700
and meron NASA's answer did she she took

965
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:35,820
deaths out of that category okay so

966
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,520
you're kind of burying the lead none of

967
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:41,160
her research none of this it wasn't her

968
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:44,880
research her research was kind of uh an

969
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,119
investigation into a multitude of

970
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:50,240
studies that were done by these

971
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,220
antiviral medications and their whether

972
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,740
or not they were efficacious in people

973
00:36:03,170 --> 00:35:57,960
who were I think they were Muslim were

974
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,180
in ICU uh from from covid I mean none of

975
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,099
the you're saying makes any sense

976
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:07,800
if there's no virus none of Maryland

977
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,680
NASA's work and again it's not our work

978
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,500
none of these studies would make any

979
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,680
sense if there's no virus do you do you

980
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:18,300
understand the contradiction and what

981
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,820
you're saying forget for a second the

982
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,140
other thing you're dealing with in the

983
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,240
spike in deaths and all that the

984
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:27,000
fundamental underlying research

985
00:36:33,370 --> 00:36:31,040
wouldn't make any sense giving someone

986
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:33,380
hydrochloroquine giving someone

987
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,260
Ivermectin and then measuring

988
00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:39,599
whether or not the the mortality rate

989
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:42,359
after they had been admitted for covid

990
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:45,839
it presupposes the existence of a virus

991
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:49,079
so you you it stands totally in contrast

992
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,640
with this wacky no virus no rabies

993
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,160
it presupposes that hydroxychloroquine

994
00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:58,440
and a vibromectant treat what is

995
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:00,599
demonstrably going wrong with the person

996
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:02,839
it doesn't presuppose that is

997
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:05,400
ivomechan's antiparasitic okay so it's

998
00:37:10,250 --> 00:37:08,280
not and it's hard to go from the lab

999
00:37:12,290 --> 00:37:10,260
results of what it's doing to why that

1000
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:12,300
would then work in a person so I know

1001
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,300
this is something that that um Dr uh d

1002
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,180
rank or the Canadian

1003
00:37:23,089 --> 00:37:21,119
um emphasize that he thought that the

1004
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,099
reason you get a spike in

1005
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:24,960
covert deaths in the Southern United

1006
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,820
States particularly is because they're

1007
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:28,380
bacterial infections and what you see

1008
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,540
through he presented statistics in his

1009
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:32,700
paper showing that the um prescriptions

1010
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:36,180
of antibiotics dropped immensely during

1011
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:40,380
2020 201 and that this accounts for why

1012
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:41,700
you have the rise in Cobra deaths

1013
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,380
because they've the bacterial infections

1014
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,240
are being misdiagnosed as a virus and

1015
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:47,579
not being treated so He suggests that

1016
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:50,099
ivometon would also work on that

1017
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,940
well two points the first is I think

1018
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,160
you're kind of sliding off the the issue

1019
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:58,560
of you know if you take it really kind

1020
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:02,099
of block dumb simple you have all these

1021
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:04,680
people who are being admitted to the

1022
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,579
hospital and tested for the existence of

1023
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:10,740
the covid antibodies in their blood

1024
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:13,140
which again you'd have to just kind of

1025
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:15,960
throw that out the window but there are

1026
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,099
these people

1027
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,339
again I just it's so illogical that it

1028
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:21,599
doesn't make any sense but there's this

1029
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,700
group of people and then you're going to

1030
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,440
not treat some of them and then you're

1031
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,060
going to treat other ones and you're

1032
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,800
going to measure the result I mean

1033
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:30,960
that's all we can ever do with these

1034
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:33,420
medical experiments it does become a

1035
00:38:37,790 --> 00:38:35,880
statistical kind of thing so in the same

1036
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:37,800
way that when you asked Merrell nass

1037
00:38:43,250 --> 00:38:41,099
about this crazy uh Andrew Kaufman you

1038
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,260
know kind of there is no virus she was

1039
00:38:46,730 --> 00:38:45,300
like of course that's ridiculous and she

1040
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:46,740
came out and she said this guy's

1041
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:49,020
ridiculous he's a fraud he isn't even a

1042
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:52,560
scientist he's a psychiatrist and but

1043
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:55,320
then that she won't even talk I'm mad

1044
00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,060
anymore because she got so much pushback

1045
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,339
and just again calling out how stupid

1046
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:01,560
the no virus thing is yeah she refuses

1047
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,540
to address it so she's written papers

1048
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,800
she's written articles on it but then

1049
00:39:08,450 --> 00:39:07,079
refuses to address it further because

1050
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,460
she already addressed it in the papers

1051
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:10,800
and she said the guy's a total quack so

1052
00:39:15,770 --> 00:39:13,260
what is that you know switching to the

1053
00:39:18,890 --> 00:39:15,780
stuff I'm interested in that supports

1054
00:39:20,569 --> 00:39:18,900
the idea that this no virus thing is the

1055
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:20,579
psyop is one of the psyops because

1056
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:22,440
there's a million of them but yeah when

1057
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:24,540
she gets slapped down for saying the

1058
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,480
obvious that this guy is a quack uh you

1059
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:29,040
know that so I don't know how I don't

1060
00:39:31,609 --> 00:39:30,060
know if he was slapped out she was doing

1061
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,619
the slapping at some point she critiqued

1062
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,660
a paper that tossed an anglebrecht wrote

1063
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,400
and he's a journalist who was part of

1064
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:37,680
the virus mania book along with Klaus

1065
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:39,900
coal line and there was another doctor

1066
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,359
um with a European name a colorful and

1067
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,680
so

1068
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,160
yeah I I sent the interview to Thomas

1069
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:48,660
journalist and he wasn't impressed

1070
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:50,820
either he he felt no no ass hadn't

1071
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,920
answered any of his positions but it's

1072
00:39:55,790 --> 00:39:54,240
now on impossible to get any of these

1073
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:55,800
people in the same room together like

1074
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:57,660
people don't talk across paradigms like

1075
00:40:02,270 --> 00:39:59,880
ever so last this is the closest you'll

1076
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:02,280
get and there's two people oh there's no

1077
00:40:07,790 --> 00:40:05,099
there's no there's no Paradigm involved

1078
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:07,800
in I mean I still don't see that you're

1079
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:11,099
I mean maybe we're disagreeing but like

1080
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:14,520
none of what Merrell nass is saying

1081
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:17,820
would even fundamentally make sense to

1082
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,240
even investigate or talk about if there

1083
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:23,940
wasn't a covid virus and you kind of

1084
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:26,339
slipped into the kind of crazy land

1085
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,260
where like maybe all these people in the

1086
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,960
hospital are not I don't know if you're

1087
00:40:34,010 --> 00:40:32,400
saying that they're not sick or that

1088
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:34,020
they're sick but they don't have covid

1089
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,119
or that they all pass the covet test

1090
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,680
because they're all in the hospital and

1091
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:39,300
they were tested for covid and they

1092
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:41,220
tested positive for covid and that's

1093
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:43,740
your sample size but then I don't know

1094
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,180
what you're saying after that is that

1095
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:47,460
then we can't measure or not whether or

1096
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:48,980
not in this case in this case

1097
00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:51,480
hydrochloroquine can be effective I I

1098
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,920
don't understand what you're saying it's

1099
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:54,599
completely illogical

1100
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,720
well I'm saying if you witness a massive

1101
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:59,280
decrease in the number of antibiotic

1102
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,420
prescriptions

1103
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:02,339
then you've got to wonder like what

1104
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,300
happened to all the people getting

1105
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:05,040
bacterial infections

1106
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:06,900
but that's a separate issue that's a

1107
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:08,280
separate issue right Richard we'll get

1108
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,780
to that that's the second point that I

1109
00:41:13,130 --> 00:41:11,400
was going to bring up about germ Theory

1110
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:13,140
but back to Merrell Nash when she's

1111
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:15,180
saying because like we're going to get

1112
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,460
way deep here but that's okay because

1113
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:19,680
you did in your show and that's why I

1114
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,980
liked the show so much the subtlety that

1115
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:25,020
Merrell nass brought to that is she said

1116
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,859
look

1117
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,480
there's all these people getting

1118
00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:29,760
admitted to the hospital

1119
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:32,040
and they're when they come in they're

1120
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:33,420
tested for whether or not they have

1121
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:37,200
covid they get a positive covid test and

1122
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,320
then they want to see if

1123
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,240
hydrochloroquine could be effective so

1124
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:44,400
they gave them doses of hydrochloroquine

1125
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,920
and then they measured whether or not

1126
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:48,180
they got better

1127
00:41:55,550 --> 00:41:53,040
so none of that works unless covet is

1128
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,560
what we think covet is you don't get

1129
00:41:58,510 --> 00:41:57,180
different results you don't get this

1130
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:58,520
pattern either

1131
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:01,800
but what she said about the whole meat

1132
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:03,420
and potatoes were what she was trying to

1133
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:05,460
say that again just gets kind of totally

1134
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:08,520
pushed aside by the crazy no virus folks

1135
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,740
is that she goes look what these

1136
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,480
did

1137
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,520
which was so subtle

1138
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,940
is that we've known for a long time that

1139
00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:20,400
this hydrochloroquine is a tricky drug

1140
00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:23,160
and that you don't if you overdose just

1141
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:24,540
a little bit

1142
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:26,520
you start getting some pretty bad side

1143
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:27,480
effects

1144
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:30,780
so what they did in these studies is

1145
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:33,180
they just pushed the dosage up just a

1146
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,099
little bit my reading of it may be a

1147
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,480
little bit different than yours it

1148
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,359
wasn't like 900 percent it was just

1149
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,579
enough to get what what they wanted

1150
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,099
which is a null result

1151
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:47,040
the null result was hey if you give them

1152
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,839
a hydrochloroquine or if you don't give

1153
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,000
them hydrochloroquine it doesn't matter

1154
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:53,520
because they're still dying at this rate

1155
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,180
so that was the goal of it was to show

1156
00:43:02,270 --> 00:42:59,520
that hydrochloroquine yielded a null

1157
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,280
result in these studies what she then

1158
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,800
showed and what you reported on is that

1159
00:43:09,770 --> 00:43:07,680
if you do it correct with the proper

1160
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,780
dosage of hydrochloroquine like they did

1161
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,579
in the Brazil study that you referenced

1162
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:14,400
it turns out to be very efficacious

1163
00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:16,260
again which makes no sense if you're a

1164
00:43:23,930 --> 00:43:18,780
no virus person no sense at all but

1165
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:23,940
makes sense yeah if you understand the

1166
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:27,780
antiviral qualities of hydrochloroquine

1167
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,640
now do you see what I'm saying about how

1168
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:31,619
there's a contradiction there how you

1169
00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:33,960
can't you can't kind of have both ways

1170
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,839
you can't have there is no virus and

1171
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:38,880
then at the same time be doing these

1172
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,240
rather sophisticated uh medical

1173
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:45,000
experiments that she documents on

1174
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,680
treating the virus

1175
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:48,480
yeah just to say I might want to back

1176
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,520
off that 900 figure I can't quite

1177
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:53,160
remember I did say it was the most

1178
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:54,420
extreme figure you could calculate

1179
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:55,500
because it depends how you look at it

1180
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,900
and the dosing of hydrostolic and

1181
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,880
studies just went on for a lot longer

1182
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:02,339
over a continuous period of days so most

1183
00:44:07,069 --> 00:44:03,960
extreme figure I get is like if you take

1184
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:07,079
the end a of like the 14 days whatever

1185
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:08,760
and compare it to the two or three days

1186
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:10,500
people are usually on for parasitic

1187
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,940
infections or whatever it is then you

1188
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:13,920
get this massive increase but within 24

1189
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,180
hours it was something like a 50

1190
00:44:20,589 --> 00:44:18,480
increase in 24 and 100 increase of 28

1191
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,599
and what people say is it's a very low

1192
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,619
therapeutic toxic threshold with

1193
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:23,880
hydroxychloroquine so you'd have to give

1194
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,700
that much more before it's it's damaging

1195
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:29,040
um yeah that was certainly maronastics

1196
00:44:31,490 --> 00:44:29,940
attention there was this like a

1197
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,500
deliberate hit and it is weird because I

1198
00:44:35,930 --> 00:44:33,480
went as far as looking at the scientific

1199
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:35,940
papers where they established uh what

1200
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,740
would be safe and what wouldn't and in

1201
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:39,300
pictures of the doctor's faces appear on

1202
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,319
this they were doing this in a very

1203
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,520
strange experience to look at them and

1204
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:43,200
think we you did these setting that I

1205
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:44,460
was too high or were you just like

1206
00:44:48,050 --> 00:44:46,260
idiotic in what you were doing or is

1207
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,060
there very strange quests but certainly

1208
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,520
it has that effect right of them of

1209
00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:52,319
rubbishing the effects of the drugs and

1210
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:55,079
making it appear dangerous maybe if it

1211
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,579
was rolled out on mass and I just don't

1212
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:59,040
know that it was at the same time the

1213
00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:00,599
studies were going on then it would also

1214
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:02,280
have had the effect of lifting death

1215
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:03,540
rate

1216
00:45:09,890 --> 00:45:06,839
well to speak to does it um do you does

1217
00:45:12,970 --> 00:45:09,900
it prove if if hydroxide

1218
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,230
hydrochloroquine and Ivermectin are

1219
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,140
effective uh does that prove the uh it's

1220
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:21,300
a viral origin of covid well no it just

1221
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,440
obviously people aren't going to the

1222
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:23,520
hospital because they're feeling great

1223
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:24,720
there's obviously something wrong with

1224
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:27,060
them and those drugs are treating that

1225
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,260
thing if it's demonstrated to be

1226
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:29,520
effective I don't think it necessarily

1227
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:30,900
proves that that thing is viral

1228
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,780
especially when Ivermectin is is

1229
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,280
anti-parasitic to begin with right but

1230
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,560
they're being tested for whether or not

1231
00:45:42,530 --> 00:45:40,140
they have the coveted antibodies so then

1232
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,540
people can spin off on all of that but

1233
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,280
when you put it all together it doesn't

1234
00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:46,260
it doesn't make any sense like this is

1235
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,020
like basic experimental science like

1236
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,760
what is your group how do you control

1237
00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:53,400
the group well the control in this group

1238
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:57,060
was do they test positive for covid do

1239
00:46:02,569 --> 00:45:59,819
they not just show the symptoms but do

1240
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:02,579
they test positive based on this test we

1241
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:05,760
have and that is how we separate that's

1242
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,280
like the entry ticket into controlling

1243
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:11,520
this experiment so no it it doesn't it

1244
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:14,700
you can't go into this kind of La La

1245
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:16,859
Land like you know maybe they had uh

1246
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,079
viral maybe they didn't no we tested

1247
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,020
them for that with the the test that is

1248
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:24,000
a very substantial part of the no virus

1249
00:46:27,950 --> 00:46:25,560
case and I have to say it goes up in my

1250
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,960
head but the idea that the uh the PCR

1251
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:30,060
tests are not effective

1252
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,280
well no what they're really saying if

1253
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:35,160
you really look at it and again some of

1254
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:37,079
the best work for this comes from the

1255
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:41,700
people who are against the pandemic and

1256
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:43,079
yet that's why I think you got to look

1257
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,060
at the psyop here when when the people

1258
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,460
like like Dell big tree uh in a hotel

1259
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:50,099
big tree is right he came out early and

1260
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,220
was very much saying this is pandemic

1261
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:56,280
this is scandemic this is not great and

1262
00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,560
he did the best thing on the PCR test he

1263
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,780
said what they're doing is they're

1264
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,180
upcycling the

1265
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:06,000
right so they're increasing multiple

1266
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:08,099
times and they're generating a lot of

1267
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:11,220
false positives right so it's not that

1268
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:13,380
the test is completely ineffective it's

1269
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:15,000
just if you have a test with enough

1270
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:17,160
false positives it would never be

1271
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,560
anything that someone uses but now if

1272
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,359
you buy like off the shelf like my wife

1273
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,520
did when she was sick if you buy the

1274
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,619
off-the-shelf PCR test down at your

1275
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:27,660
local drugstore what they say is

1276
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:29,700
look this is a pretty shitty test it's

1277
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:31,859
pretty ineffective but if you take a

1278
00:47:38,089 --> 00:47:35,280
take it two times 48 hours apart and

1279
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:38,099
they both come up positive you can be

1280
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:39,900
pretty sure that you have it and then

1281
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,700
you can go into your doctor and they can

1282
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:44,220
actually do the blood test and when you

1283
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:47,460
get all those confirmed the the chances

1284
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,619
are that you have covid you know you you

1285
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,839
do there's no way so there's no way

1286
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,400
around that again the misinformation

1287
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:56,099
about there is no VI none of that stuff

1288
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:57,900
would be possible

1289
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:01,260
if there were no viruses and you

1290
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,200
couldn't have like the basic idea of

1291
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,520
like that's what I'm saying

1292
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,440
fundamentally behind the the mayoral

1293
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:10,020
Mass thing and I think what I sense when

1294
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:11,700
you talk to her when anyone talks to her

1295
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,420
is when someone goes down this moonshot

1296
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:18,240
crazy there is no viruses stuff they

1297
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:20,220
just kind of check out because it's like

1298
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:21,540
they're not going to talk to somebody

1299
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:24,420
who is in this Flat Earth camp but what

1300
00:48:30,530 --> 00:48:27,780
she's saying I think is that look that

1301
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:30,540
doesn't make any sense in that you

1302
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:33,300
couldn't test all these people

1303
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:36,420
and have all them have the symptoms and

1304
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:39,240
positive tests if there wasn't a virus

1305
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,819
and that's just the starting point to

1306
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,400
what we really wanted to test as to

1307
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:46,680
whether or not hydrochloroquine was

1308
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:49,680
effective so it's do you get the the

1309
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:52,440
kind of built-in frustration that I have

1310
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:53,940
a little bit but not that much because

1311
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,300
I'm totally in the game of conspiracy a

1312
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:58,980
lot more than other people are but do

1313
00:49:02,089 --> 00:49:00,359
you get that sense when you talk to

1314
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:02,099
people who

1315
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,740
really kind of know the science and they

1316
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:06,480
just kind of check out with all this

1317
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:09,359
wacky no virus stuff well certainly

1318
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:10,619
marinas did and I have to just

1319
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,640
acknowledge

1320
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,800
I'm up against my limit now in terms of

1321
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,900
what I can speed I can't speak to the

1322
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,880
testing all of them parroting what I

1323
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,200
hear people saying and saying well this

1324
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,180
is what they you know the testing is is

1325
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:22,800
ineffective and there's no isolation of

1326
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:25,560
either covert no no meaningful isolation

1327
00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,599
but how would that make sense so so just

1328
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:29,220
common sense how would that how would

1329
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:31,319
that make sense then Richard how would

1330
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,780
it make sense that you test these people

1331
00:49:38,809 --> 00:49:35,819
and they're sick they have the symptoms

1332
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:38,819
and they're positive on the test and you

1333
00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:40,980
have other healthy people who take the

1334
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,319
test and they're negative and you do

1335
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:45,119
that over and over again how would that

1336
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,680
make any sense

1337
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,480
well it could be testing for something

1338
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,579
that's to do with obviously with them

1339
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:52,619
being sick okay like a breakdown like so

1340
00:49:57,170 --> 00:49:54,660
to go back to the electron microscope

1341
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:57,180
when the virus and no virus can't look

1342
00:50:00,050 --> 00:49:58,380
down at they're seeing the same thing

1343
00:50:01,490 --> 00:50:00,060
but when the virus can't look down and

1344
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:01,500
saying okay that's a virus down there

1345
00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:02,700
we're seeing a little squiggly thing

1346
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,859
with the the crown like proteins on or

1347
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,540
whatever and the no virus people are

1348
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:08,220
saying no that's that's tissue breaking

1349
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:10,260
down due to toxification due to some

1350
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:12,060
kind of illness so if the test is

1351
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,560
testing for the presence of that thing

1352
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,720
then it's saying that thing is there but

1353
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:17,520
it's either a virus or the breakdown

1354
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:18,900
tissue and I'm again I'm not saying

1355
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,520
that's a good explanation so for the

1356
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:21,839
audience please don't you know take that

1357
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,079
to the bank but that's um it's just one

1358
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,000
logical way that that could be the case

1359
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:29,099
it seems to be inherent in the whole

1360
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:30,240
fact that there is a disagreement that

1361
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,619
the test could be

1362
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,300
showing different things

1363
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,400
okay hold on here folks this is what

1364
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:36,720
you've been waiting for

1365
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,900
about to have a breakthrough here a

1366
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,000
logical breakthrough

1367
00:50:46,550 --> 00:50:44,579
so Richard you are

1368
00:50:49,130 --> 00:50:46,560
a little biotech startup and you're

1369
00:50:50,809 --> 00:50:49,140
going to manufacture this test

1370
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:50,819
for covid

1371
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:53,819
and you're not part of the pandemic in

1372
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,619
particular you're just a guy trying to

1373
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:57,599
make a buck you know you've already do

1374
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,740
all these other tests and now you're

1375
00:51:02,770 --> 00:51:00,599
going to do this test

1376
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:02,780
okay

1377
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:06,720
what do you what do you have to show in

1378
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,119
order for your test to be accepted to be

1379
00:51:13,010 --> 00:51:11,040
used

1380
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:13,020
can I mean can you just do can you just

1381
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,240
totally fake it can you just put out a

1382
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,520
totally totally fake test that doesn't

1383
00:51:21,530 --> 00:51:19,440
really do anything it just randomly

1384
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,540
comes up positive negative is that going

1385
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:22,920
to work is that going to pass muster

1386
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:27,710
no I suppose and again look I'm getting

1387
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,059
very speculative here but I suppose you

1388
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,059
would have to have a test that lights up

1389
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:36,359
when the presence of whatever it is that

1390
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:40,260
we're calling covid-19 is there

1391
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,619
to some degree of accuracy but it

1392
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:45,119
doesn't necessarily mean that that thing

1393
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,400
that is being picked up by the test is a

1394
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:48,720
virus like that's the point of

1395
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:50,940
contention how do you suppose you would

1396
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,460
do that because what the the way they

1397
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,480
did it

1398
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:57,480
was their testing for the virus

1399
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:01,440
antibodies so how would you do it given

1400
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:03,059
in this world that you're in where there

1401
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,540
are no viruses how would you make your

1402
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,000
test work so you can make money so you

1403
00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:11,640
can sell it to but there are biological

1404
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,319
entities that are being identified as

1405
00:52:18,410 --> 00:52:15,960
viruses right but they again they're

1406
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,420
going to have to match up with symptoms

1407
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,339
so people are sick they're going to go

1408
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:21,839
to the store yes and they're going to

1409
00:52:26,329 --> 00:52:24,359
buy and and then you're also in your

1410
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:26,339
testing in your testing before you put

1411
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,660
this out on the market because it can't

1412
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:29,700
we already agreed you can't just do a

1413
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,720
total sham test or total shiam uh uh

1414
00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:36,180
thing so you're going to have to do some

1415
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,339
internal testing you're going to have to

1416
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:41,339
take people who are sick and uh and then

1417
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:42,300
you're gonna have to take people are

1418
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:43,559
healthy and you're gonna have to give

1419
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:46,079
them your little instant test so how are

1420
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,220
you going to run how are you going to

1421
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:49,140
run that test to see whether or not your

1422
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,480
test is efficacious

1423
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:53,760
because the tissue is picking okay again

1424
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:55,140
I have to say that I'm being very

1425
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:58,200
hypothetical here and the tissue

1426
00:53:01,190 --> 00:53:00,359
is it like the tissue being picked up

1427
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:01,200
gone

1428
00:53:04,370 --> 00:53:03,059
it it could be that's a tissue that

1429
00:53:06,890 --> 00:53:04,380
appears in the presence of sickness

1430
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:06,900
whether that sickness is a virus or a

1431
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:08,760
detoxification process that's the thing

1432
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:11,160
that's Up For Debate but if you aim the

1433
00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:12,900
test at that it's going to pick up on it

1434
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:14,099
and you can say oh that's a virus or

1435
00:53:17,690 --> 00:53:16,020
it's the how tissue breaks down on

1436
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:17,700
detoxification and that that seems to be

1437
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,960
the central split in how that's

1438
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,300
interpreted so it is plausible to have a

1439
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:23,760
test that would pick up on sickness and

1440
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:25,740
a certain type of sickness

1441
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:29,460
well you you just realized kind of your

1442
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:31,140
problem there when you add a particular

1443
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:32,940
type of sickness because now we're

1444
00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:35,460
talking about a very particular set of

1445
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:38,520
symptoms around this thing called covet

1446
00:53:45,290 --> 00:53:42,780
19. so you're just getting into kind of

1447
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:45,300
territory that just doesn't it doesn't

1448
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,119
make any sense and again so back to your

1449
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,760
little laboratory uh you would also have

1450
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:52,319
to have because this is an instant test

1451
00:53:55,549 --> 00:53:53,819
you want to crank these things out so

1452
00:53:57,230 --> 00:53:55,559
that people can just do them really

1453
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,240
quickly with the saliva in their mouth

1454
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,520
kind of thing and then it's going to be

1455
00:54:02,569 --> 00:54:01,680
backed up with the blood test that

1456
00:54:05,390 --> 00:54:02,579
they're going to do where they're going

1457
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,400
to do a more comprehensive test so

1458
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,160
that's going to be your standard inside

1459
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:10,319
your little biotech Company by which you

1460
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:11,940
compare whether your test is effective

1461
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,240
like is my little saliva test working in

1462
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:18,300
the same way as the blood test does and

1463
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:20,339
I'm hoping that at this point you see

1464
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:23,579
that in order for you to do any of this

1465
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:27,599
work effectively you will have to have a

1466
00:54:33,650 --> 00:54:31,140
working understanding of this virus a

1467
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:33,660
working understanding of it you are not

1468
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,400
at the level of just saying well let's

1469
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,800
see this tissue that it you couldn't do

1470
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,599
it you couldn't manufacture these things

1471
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:41,400
you couldn't test to see whether they're

1472
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,510
right to be honest I'm out of my death

1473
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,260
With the testing because nothing about

1474
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,680
the testing convinced me that

1475
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:53,760
convince me to put the no virus position

1476
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:56,040
on the table so I think I've sort of

1477
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:57,059
acknowledged this because your audience

1478
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,980
is going to be getting increasingly bad

1479
00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:00,780
arguments from me from here on in

1480
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,819
because it's just you would need to

1481
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:04,440
bring someone who's really studied the

1482
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:08,400
testing on my basis for putting no virus

1483
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,660
position on the table is what I've

1484
00:55:12,530 --> 00:55:11,700
already said regarding that there are

1485
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,540
these

1486
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,220
really strong on the corporates for

1487
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,500
polio and HIV and a lot of the cover

1488
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,480
deaths and the Netflix is the

1489
00:55:22,970 --> 00:55:21,119
vaccination program Etc and I'm I'm sort

1490
00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:22,980
of trying my best with the the testing

1491
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:25,260
but I've I'm concerned I'm not

1492
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:26,579
representing

1493
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,900
a position that other people could

1494
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,280
represent very well

1495
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,920
yeah this is what people always say when

1496
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:33,900
they kind of reach a a point where they

1497
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,020
can't do it look the Alex the virus the

1498
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:39,900
testing and the vaccine are all related

1499
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:41,880
and when people break them out and say

1500
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:44,280
well I don't know about the testing the

1501
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:46,740
testing is the virus there's no you you

1502
00:55:51,290 --> 00:55:48,599
can't separate it out as its own

1503
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,300
category the vaccine is the virus when

1504
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:53,520
we talked about the MMR autism

1505
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,420
connection it's about the virus so again

1506
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,760
all that stuff is out the window for the

1507
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:02,160
no virus people but we've pounded on

1508
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,540
that enough the other thing I would say

1509
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,040
that always has drives me crazy about

1510
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:07,680
the germ people it's all this focus on

1511
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,980
virus but oh bacteria uh that that's

1512
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:12,300
something that's some that's a whole

1513
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:14,760
different category you know Anthrax or

1514
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,740
cholera or any risk that because we can

1515
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:18,720
see it in a microscope you know that

1516
00:56:23,170 --> 00:56:22,020
that that isn't in our purvey of uh of

1517
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:23,180
this kind of

1518
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,460
wacky germ Theory versus terrain Theory

1519
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:28,500
thing why doesn't bacteria fall into the

1520
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,319
same category as viruses I I don't know

1521
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:33,480
I props because of what he said it's a

1522
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,300
larger entities that are visible and do

1523
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,400
float around cause and disease I imagine

1524
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:41,040
there might be something I don't know

1525
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:42,480
I think it's kind of funny because

1526
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:43,800
people always talk about the Koch

1527
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:46,559
postulates and you know this guy back at

1528
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,319
1870 and isolation and stuff like that

1529
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,079
he isolated bacteria that was the first

1530
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:54,420
thing that he did and the whole idea of

1531
00:56:59,450 --> 00:56:57,420
germ theory is that is that before that

1532
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:59,460
no one would believe that there were

1533
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,800
these things that couldn't be seen that

1534
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,839
were causing disease and that was the

1535
00:57:07,250 --> 00:57:05,579
Breakthrough that these guys did and

1536
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,260
like you've reported on in your show and

1537
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:09,119
everyone has you know Lister was famous

1538
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:12,119
for the antiseptic surgical techniques

1539
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,000
where he insisted you know that doctors

1540
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:18,180
wash their hands after giving birth so

1541
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,740
that they didn't and you know all said

1542
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,359
infectious diseases went way down

1543
00:57:25,549 --> 00:57:24,000
because these doctors they hey my hands

1544
00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:25,559
are clean there's there's no there can't

1545
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,819
be anything there so again this wacky no

1546
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:32,520
virus stuff go read what these people

1547
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:35,339
say has nothing to do with bacterial

1548
00:57:40,370 --> 00:57:37,800
infections right it totally does the guy

1549
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,380
who last had on your show right Daniel

1550
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:42,599
Thompson Mills yeah she's all about

1551
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:46,140
terrain Theory versus germ Theory so uh

1552
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,140
germ Theory includes bacteria it isn't

1553
00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:51,540
limited to virus services so when he's

1554
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:55,079
pushing back against germ Theory he's

1555
00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:57,000
not distinguishing he's not saying oh

1556
00:58:02,930 --> 00:57:59,339
yeah well you know bacteria are a

1557
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,940
totally separate category of these

1558
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,980
invisible small little things that can

1559
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,079
be linked to disease it's just no one

1560
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,240
talks about it this whole thing is a

1561
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,099
psyop man

1562
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:13,440
yeah so I'm not saying that about

1563
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:17,040
bacteria Daniel said some things which

1564
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:18,720
I thought was speculative some things

1565
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,460
before very sensible and some things

1566
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:23,040
which I thought were wrong and I did

1567
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,780
push back on certain things to be taken

1568
00:58:27,890 --> 00:58:26,339
from Tom Collinsworth like apparently

1569
00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:27,900
Tom Cowen has an idea that when post

1570
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:29,400
forms around a splinter that's the body

1571
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:31,740
pushing the splinter out oh great I I

1572
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:33,420
hadn't heard that one before but that's

1573
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:35,400
a classic and when I pushed on that and

1574
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,160
well what's the basis for that and he

1575
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,260
was just quoting Tom Karen he didn't

1576
00:58:44,270 --> 00:58:42,119
have one so there's some certainly

1577
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:44,280
certain things I'm very cynical okay and

1578
00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:45,599
I'm not opposed to going down the

1579
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:47,880
bacterial infections don't exist at all

1580
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,020
I think it's

1581
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,359
just really demonstrable they do so I'm

1582
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:53,460
I'm not that's not an idea that I'm

1583
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:54,900
what's the distinction you're making

1584
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,059
there between uh bacterial infections

1585
00:59:02,329 --> 00:58:59,460
and viral infections I couldn't describe

1586
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:02,339
it in the terms of biology bacteria

1587
00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:03,960
living things aren't they and viruses on

1588
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,400
to them or smaller I couldn't describe

1589
00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:08,400
the biology well the viruses are clearly

1590
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,339
living things right I mean

1591
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,140
I didn't I don't think so

1592
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,880
I thought they're not technically alive

1593
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:17,160
I could be wrong about that I thought

1594
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:20,819
that was a quick Google waiter yeah

1595
00:59:25,609 --> 00:59:23,760
I mean they're alive or they wouldn't it

1596
00:59:27,410 --> 00:59:25,619
be they wouldn't be multiplying are

1597
00:59:30,109 --> 00:59:27,420
viruses living that's a question that

1598
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:30,119
look at this so most biologists say no

1599
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,520
viruses are not made out of cells they

1600
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:34,079
can't keep themselves in a stable state

1601
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,880
so I think that's one factor that makes

1602
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:38,400
people skeptical of the non-living thing

1603
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,780
can do all these things attribute to

1604
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,000
them it's not my complaint my complaint

1605
00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:44,880
is well with bacterial infections you

1606
00:59:48,589 --> 00:59:46,859
could identify the bacteria and it seems

1607
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:48,599
to be causal there's not some other

1608
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:49,980
thing you can put in there to suggest

1609
00:59:55,010 --> 00:59:51,359
hey this is causing all the diseases

1610
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,020
whereas with some viruses that's present

1611
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,660
as I explained with polio except right

1612
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,240
so I guess as I keep going through uh

1613
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,400
Google viruses are considered both

1614
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:04,680
living and non-living this is due to the

1615
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:06,299
fact that viruses possess the

1616
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,280
characteristics of both living and

1617
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:10,319
non-living for instance viruses can

1618
01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:12,299
reproduce inside a host just like any

1619
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,520
other living organism a disability to

1620
01:00:18,970 --> 01:00:16,440
reproduce his loss from viruses outside

1621
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:18,980
of the host cell

1622
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:21,299
I still think you're gonna have a hard

1623
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,640
time but I understand your Extinction I

1624
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,900
don't want to dismiss it I understand

1625
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:26,220
that there's a distinction between

1626
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:29,220
viruses and bacteria that could feed

1627
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,549
okay

1628
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,780
how should we move towards uh wrapping

1629
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,880
this up do you want to have some kind of

1630
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,280
closing

1631
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:42,720
well maybe

1632
01:00:46,430 --> 01:00:45,000
another aspect of this which might be

1633
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,440
interesting to talk about just because I

1634
01:00:50,809 --> 01:00:48,240
think we're going to start going around

1635
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:50,819
in circles with the neurology thing

1636
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:53,880
we've said we've said is your perception

1637
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:56,700
that it's either Messiah or at any rate

1638
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:59,339
it's something that's very very bad to

1639
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:00,839
have in because it introduces all this

1640
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,720
craziness into what we need to have

1641
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:05,599
which is focused resistance against

1642
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:08,220
covet okay in the covert agenda and

1643
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:10,380
whatever Covert 2.0 is which is going to

1644
01:01:13,609 --> 01:01:12,299
come down it's already heading towards

1645
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:13,619
us

1646
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:16,140
and this is for me I see a repetition of

1647
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,299
what happened with 911 where you you

1648
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,400
have everyone has a different kind of

1649
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:22,980
crazy line with 9 11. so you get people

1650
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,460
who think that was all a geopolitical uh

1651
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,260
games being played by the CIA and they

1652
01:01:32,510 --> 01:01:30,720
were trying to manage the uh ultimate

1653
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:32,520
hijackers but they lost control of them

1654
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:33,720
and then you get people who say no

1655
01:01:37,609 --> 01:01:36,299
that's that's not far enough and they

1656
01:01:39,049 --> 01:01:37,619
were trying they were managing the

1657
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:39,059
hijackers so they could do the operation

1658
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:40,200
and the first group think the second

1659
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,460
group is crazy but the second group

1660
01:01:44,569 --> 01:01:43,200
think the people who say bombs in the

1661
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:44,579
buildings are crazy people say think

1662
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,260
bombs in the buildings are crazy

1663
01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:48,960
uh the people say that there were bombs

1664
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:49,799
in the buildings they think the

1665
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,540
holographic plain people are crazy and

1666
01:01:54,349 --> 01:01:53,280
what you have is this massive amount of

1667
01:01:56,510 --> 01:01:54,359
infighting because everyone thinks it's

1668
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,520
very important that no one to the left

1669
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:58,079
or the right of them should be included

1670
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,180
in the movement and I just see that

1671
01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,680
pattern repeating it's been a very

1672
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:03,299
depressing thing for me to see how no

1673
01:02:07,130 --> 01:02:04,980
one will talk across ideological lines

1674
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:07,140
with the covid virology questions

1675
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,299
everyone just goes into their Silo and

1676
01:02:15,230 --> 01:02:11,280
that's it and this is you know from us

1677
01:02:17,089 --> 01:02:15,240
to entirely non-experts on this who you

1678
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:17,099
know read what you've read on it but do

1679
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:18,599
not spend our lives staring down Electro

1680
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:20,280
microscopes this is the closest thing

1681
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,920
that exists to a dialogue on this topic

1682
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:24,720
almost you know which is it's quite

1683
01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:27,240
depressing really so it's that

1684
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:28,980
perception I I suppose we're in

1685
01:02:32,809 --> 01:02:30,540
different there Alex is I don't

1686
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:32,819
necessarily and I can't see

1687
01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:35,760
intellectual expansiveness as being a

1688
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,339
bad thing okay so if people are just on

1689
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,319
a pure science level I think that

1690
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,240
science progresses through conflict of

1691
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:44,520
opposites okay this protagorean

1692
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:45,780
sentiment that you make the weaker

1693
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:47,160
argument the stronger and thereby

1694
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:49,260
Advance the motion of the whole so I

1695
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:51,780
think that by interjecting uh an

1696
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:53,400
alternative Paradigm and that could be

1697
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,500
creationism in The evolutionary story

1698
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:58,079
then you you look at or it could be the

1699
01:03:00,589 --> 01:02:59,280
no virus Camp even if it's not

1700
01:03:03,049 --> 01:03:00,599
ultimately true even if it's not

1701
01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:03,059
ultimately true then by looking at

1702
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:04,500
things that way they are going to see

1703
01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:06,780
things that other people won't like who

1704
01:03:10,069 --> 01:03:08,700
is it that's going to see that the um

1705
01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:10,079
the bones we're saying on the missing

1706
01:03:12,650 --> 01:03:11,579
links aren't really the missing links

1707
01:03:14,569 --> 01:03:12,660
well there'll be people that don't

1708
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:14,579
believe in in evolution and who is it

1709
01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:16,740
that's going to see that polio maybe

1710
01:03:20,690 --> 01:03:18,599
wasn't caused by a bar so after all it

1711
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,700
was it was um environmental factors well

1712
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:22,079
quite likely people who are very very

1713
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:23,460
very cynical about the existence of

1714
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:27,599
viruses at all so to me pluralism is a

1715
01:03:32,210 --> 01:03:29,819
healthy thing for the advancement of

1716
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:32,220
knowledge and an uncertainty on issues

1717
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:33,660
that we don't know about out embodying

1718
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:35,880
that uncertainty is a healthy thing too

1719
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:38,280
I'm not just talking about like outright

1720
01:03:42,650 --> 01:03:40,740
fence sitting but a movement off the

1721
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:42,660
fence in both directions into into one

1722
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,980
side and then the other and coming back

1723
01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:45,480
to the fence all of this seems very

1724
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:47,400
healthy to me and then I noticed I don't

1725
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,660
think you see it that way I think you

1726
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:49,920
see it as something that's detracting

1727
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,319
from what should be more focused

1728
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:54,240
so how do we square that Circle well

1729
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,339
this is something that you've mentioned

1730
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,799
to me in the past and particularly with

1731
01:04:03,289 --> 01:04:01,200
911 and the example you gave was

1732
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,299
somebody starts out with flat Earth you

1733
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,020
know and they eventually over time go

1734
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:09,119
wow that was pretty crazy don't remind

1735
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:12,780
me but it opens them up to looking at 9

1736
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,420
11. so they were moving in these circles

1737
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:18,240
where those two issues within the circle

1738
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:20,460
of people they came in contact with were

1739
01:04:23,870 --> 01:04:22,500
equally crazy like you're saying you

1740
01:04:25,849 --> 01:04:23,880
believe in Flat Earth you believe in 9

1741
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,859
11 they're the same and now the person

1742
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,960
goes through this process like you're

1743
01:04:32,270 --> 01:04:30,059
saying and they go yeah Flat Earth is

1744
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:32,280
kind of goofy but 911 turns out to be

1745
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:34,020
you know have a lot of substance to it

1746
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,599
and I've had we've had this conversation

1747
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,119
before where you know you

1748
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:41,760
kind of hold that up and that's

1749
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,400
undeniable I mean shoot we've all been

1750
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:47,280
there we've all been there personally

1751
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:51,420
the reason I like science even though I

1752
01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:52,680
still think science is wrong about

1753
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:53,880
almost everything because it doesn't

1754
01:04:58,569 --> 01:04:56,280
incorporate any Consciousness is that I

1755
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,579
do think it is important to have

1756
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:01,200
especially in these times where

1757
01:05:06,530 --> 01:05:04,559
information is being manipulated is

1758
01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:06,540
being controlled there are all these

1759
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:08,780
psyops there are all these agendas

1760
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:10,680
undeniable you know when you go into

1761
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:14,700
these other fields that we we hold to

1762
01:05:20,510 --> 01:05:17,880
some basic principles and standards both

1763
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,520
in terms of science and in terms of

1764
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:23,760
logic and reason and I don't think it's

1765
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:25,440
a good idea to

1766
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,799
jump off just for a little while so that

1767
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:30,540
I can come back on with a fresh

1768
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:32,760
perspective I accept that maybe that

1769
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:35,040
works for some people but I don't think

1770
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:37,319
in general that's a good path and I

1771
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:39,960
think it's just a rot with all sorts of

1772
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:43,200
potential manipulation to me just follow

1773
01:05:49,010 --> 01:05:46,140
the data wherever it leads in the case

1774
01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:49,020
of of viruses you know to make that case

1775
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:51,720
and advance that case you would have to

1776
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:54,859
contemplate a conspiracy going back

1777
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,680
hundreds of years involving thousands

1778
01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:00,720
and thousands of scientists who've

1779
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:02,700
published peer-reviewed papers that you

1780
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:05,819
can look up and then analyze and other

1781
01:06:09,789 --> 01:06:07,859
people have analyzed them and you'd have

1782
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:09,799
to say all that was some kind of

1783
01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:12,599
organized effort to bring us to this

1784
01:06:17,809 --> 01:06:14,819
point in this discussion between Richard

1785
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:17,819
and Alex to confuse the issue because

1786
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:20,040
what's really going on is there's no

1787
01:06:27,370 --> 01:06:24,059
viruses to me that is just only an inch

1788
01:06:29,890 --> 01:06:27,380
or two above the Flat Earth stuff

1789
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:29,900
so I completely disagree about it

1790
01:06:36,349 --> 01:06:34,079
necessitating a conspiracy and what I

1791
01:06:38,450 --> 01:06:36,359
think is that in some ways we still live

1792
01:06:40,609 --> 01:06:38,460
in the Middle Ages and this is maybe

1793
01:06:42,109 --> 01:06:40,619
maybe this is a fundamental point of

1794
01:06:43,609 --> 01:06:42,119
contention but in some ways we don't

1795
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,619
when I look at my window and I see a

1796
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:45,359
giant flying robot moving through the

1797
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,020
sky

1798
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:48,900
that's the end point of a process of

1799
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:51,839
where we have become in some way better

1800
01:06:55,309 --> 01:06:54,059
at interrogating the natural world and

1801
01:06:57,289 --> 01:06:55,319
coming up with science and Building

1802
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:57,299
Technology off that science so we are in

1803
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,859
some ways fundamentally different in the

1804
01:07:02,750 --> 01:07:00,539
way we think than we were in the past as

1805
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,760
is evidenced by the world around us but

1806
01:07:06,410 --> 01:07:04,559
in another way I don't think we are and

1807
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:06,420
I think that other way is that we're

1808
01:07:11,390 --> 01:07:08,760
still very very bad at questioning our

1809
01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,400
core assumptions and this is um

1810
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:13,920
Thomas Coon's point about the way people

1811
01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:16,380
come into science is it's more like

1812
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,140
learning a trade so

1813
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,599
when my electrician comes around and

1814
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,280
does the wiring in the house

1815
01:07:27,410 --> 01:07:25,200
like he may be very competent of that

1816
01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:27,420
but I don't necessarily expect to be

1817
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:28,920
able to have a conversation with him

1818
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,900
about the nature of electricity or

1819
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:32,400
whether Nikola Tesla was right about

1820
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:34,559
transmitting it wirelessly through the

1821
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:36,299
air I mean you know I'm sure you get

1822
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:38,099
very philosophical electricians but I'm

1823
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:40,260
not that's not in the training okay to

1824
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:42,240
question the nature of things and I

1825
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:43,799
think science is essentially the same

1826
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:45,960
with that where people are initiated

1827
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:49,799
into a profession by having to compress

1828
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,480
a learning into a tight space of time

1829
01:07:56,270 --> 01:07:53,940
and regurgitate different exams inside

1830
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:56,280
an existing Paradigm and then they can

1831
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:58,200
go their entire career Under Pressure to

1832
01:08:01,789 --> 01:07:59,940
always produce and always move on

1833
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,799
without ever questioning the foundation

1834
01:08:06,349 --> 01:08:03,599
they're standing on and I think that's

1835
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:06,359
why you can have sciences that are

1836
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:09,000
people pour their expertise to spend

1837
01:08:11,569 --> 01:08:10,380
their lifetime studying and they can

1838
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:11,579
still be wrong about the fundamentals

1839
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:13,079
that occurs in lots of different ways

1840
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,880
I've just produced a podcast on the

1841
01:08:17,930 --> 01:08:15,839
history of the first world war

1842
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,940
questioning whether historians have been

1843
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:19,739
locked into a spec a perspective that

1844
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:22,380
excuses uh the British complicity in

1845
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:24,179
starting the war I'm looking at a

1846
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:26,699
podcast on on the science of memory and

1847
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:28,440
I'm realizing that a lot of all

1848
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,759
dependings of certain branches of

1849
01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:31,560
psychotherapy really went down the wrong

1850
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,759
path with very destructive results

1851
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:34,319
because people don't question the

1852
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:35,880
foundation so in all areas view

1853
01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:37,500
knowledge I think this can exist and

1854
01:08:41,689 --> 01:08:38,940
that's why you don't need a conspiracy

1855
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:41,699
to account for massive errors existing

1856
01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:44,100
over time and space yeah I think you

1857
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:45,960
have to be really careful when you draw

1858
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:48,900
these analogies and the part that I

1859
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:49,739
think

1860
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:51,779
totally runs against what you're saying

1861
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:55,859
is the engineering uh medical devices

1862
01:09:01,010 --> 01:08:58,799
medical cures Medical Science you know

1863
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:01,020
so kind of like I'm saying I think that

1864
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,580
the strongest argument you can go back

1865
01:09:05,390 --> 01:09:03,359
and

1866
01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:05,400
kind of contemplate a little bit is like

1867
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,839
if you're going to come up with a test

1868
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:10,080
for covid that tested your saliva and

1869
01:09:14,169 --> 01:09:11,880
you know indicated whether or not yet

1870
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,179
covet and you want to

1871
01:09:18,650 --> 01:09:16,319
cross-correlated with the effectiveness

1872
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,660
of the blood test you know and there are

1873
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:20,219
two different means of getting at the

1874
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:21,480
same thing

1875
01:09:29,329 --> 01:09:25,440
you can't engineer and make it work

1876
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,339
if you don't have a command of the

1877
01:09:34,729 --> 01:09:31,739
science it's kind of like you can't

1878
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build a computer you can't build a modem

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you can't build an iPhone if you don't

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have a command of how an integrated

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01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:44,759
circuit works you can't just kind of

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wish it to be so or speculate on it it's

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in the engineering where which a lot of

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times leaves behind what you're talking

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about in terms of the the philosophical

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underpinnings of some of this stuff the

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engineering of it is where it really

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kind of is all revealed and I'd say the

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same is true with the vaccines the

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vaccines are the engineering

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of the virus and that their existence

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completely is counter to the idea that

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there are no viruses it's like

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you know it was like the other thing

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about the covet is it's not only a virus

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it's a bio weapon they built it in a

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lab in a lab where they were

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building other dangerous viruses and

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weaponizing other dangerous diseases

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again like I'm going to rant for a

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little bit longer because we didn't talk

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about this topic

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notice how that is effectively moved off

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to the side with the psyop hey there is

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no viruses so let's not worry about our

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bioweapon labs and the Chinese bioweapon

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Labs because there are no viruses gain

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of function fouchy all that

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off the table there are no viruses

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they can't be working to improve the

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gain of function of the virus because

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there are no viruses do you understand

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the Absurd oh I I entirely agree

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everyone who thinks there's a virus and

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it's a bio weapon thinks a no virus

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thing is a scam to detract from that and

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everyone is into the no virus thing

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thinks that the gain of function in the

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Chinese Laboratories is a scam to

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detract from the factors how could that

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explain to me since you're in that camp

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how do they explain away the the gain of

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function research I mean explain to me

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how they explain that away no idea I

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hope that the audience listens to this

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has gained some value from what I have

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said but I would be going into areas I

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just don't have a clue about if I even

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went there so rationally logically how

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does that make any sense to you

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I don't know I just can't let because

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two years ago the whole no virus thing

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at all didn't make sense to me so I I

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just don't know I know they talk about

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it I just don't know about it

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Richard think about it for a minute

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think just anything you again you said

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there were just two people who don't

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know that much again this is back my

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point of logic

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basic logic basic reason

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how can you have published studies on

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01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:12,540
gain a function of the weaponization of

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01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:15,719
these viruses if viruses don't even

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exist how could you have people studying

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that how could you have all these bio

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01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:21,300
weapons we have heard Mark Bailey make

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01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,560
the exact opposite point and say well

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the reason this research never comes to

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anything and the reason you have

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chemical warfare but no biological

1952
01:12:29,689 --> 01:12:28,500
warfare rolled out is because it's

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completely ineffective because it's

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built on a false Paradigm so it is

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addressed but I would my the poverty of

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01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,880
my reply would be such that it is not

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worth giving

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I just I just I'm out I don't know I

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01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,640
can't I can't do that one

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okay so as a result of this you're gonna

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01:12:48,189 --> 01:12:45,900
get to the bottom of it because you

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agree that is completely logically

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01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,120
inconsistent that whole body of research

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which is gain a function it's it Not

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only would it not be like the even the

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01:13:01,550 --> 01:12:58,980
part you said about that guy who said it

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01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:01,560
never works it's like no I mean they

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01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:04,260
publish all these papers and say that

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01:13:07,970 --> 01:13:06,060
this is what they did and here's the

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01:13:11,330 --> 01:13:07,980
results that they got and all the rest

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01:13:13,850 --> 01:13:11,340
of that you would have to create a you a

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01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:13,860
world where that is how would you even

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01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:15,300
explain that that they're just kind of

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01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,460
making that up or that they're it's

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01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:19,140
passing peer review or that they're not

1976
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,120
really doing the experiments I mean I

1977
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:22,560
don't even know logically how that would

1978
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:24,060
even how you would put that argument

1979
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,860
together I don't know but it doesn't if

1980
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,600
you consider like the the body of work

1981
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,480
that must exist but on HIV okay and if

1982
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,520
it doesn't cause AIDS that body of work

1983
01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:34,320
can just be taken and put straight into

1984
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:36,179
the bin but there must be thousands of

1985
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:37,860
thousands of scientists who have worked

1986
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,060
on that problem and thousands found

1987
01:13:43,970 --> 01:13:41,600
scientific polio problem and again

1988
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,980
either the guy you had in your show was

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01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:46,560
wrong or all that research goes in the

1990
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bin and I don't think it's because

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01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,620
they're all in a conspiracy no it's

1992
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:51,540
because they're looking at something no

1993
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,060
see that's that's not how it is and

1994
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:57,120
that's not the case with the HIV aids

1995
01:14:05,390 --> 01:14:01,920
thing and this is again the psya is like

1996
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:05,400
the the HIV aids thing when Henry Bauer

1997
01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:07,560
was on there and the people he talked is

1998
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:11,280
it not that this viruses don't exist

1999
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,600
not that aids isn't connected to a virus

2000
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,480
it's just that it's not as simplistic as

2001
01:14:22,810 --> 01:14:20,640
they're trying to make it it's analogous

2002
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:22,820
to the climate change thing you know

2003
01:14:26,510 --> 01:14:25,260
climate change thing is complicated man

2004
01:14:28,790 --> 01:14:26,520
there's a lot of things that go into

2005
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:28,800
climate a lot of things go into all that

2006
01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:31,140
stuff so teasing it apart is like you

2007
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:33,239
can always get a different angle so

2008
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:37,440
people can really do work on HIV and

2009
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:41,340
AIDS and they can very subtly delude

2010
01:14:46,130 --> 01:14:43,500
themselves into thinking that they're

2011
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:46,140
seeing an effect or or exaggerating the

2012
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,360
effect or they're calc statistically

2013
01:14:52,010 --> 01:14:50,640
calculating because there really are

2014
01:14:54,790 --> 01:14:52,020
viruses

2015
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:54,800
and there really is such a thing as HIV

2016
01:15:00,830 --> 01:14:58,140
it's just they can make subtler little

2017
01:15:03,790 --> 01:15:00,840
kind of scientific mistakes that we can

2018
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:03,800
understand and come to these weird

2019
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,820
exaggerated conclusions like you're

2020
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,920
pointing to but you can't do that if

2021
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:10,080
there's no viruses right you can't it

2022
01:15:14,209 --> 01:15:11,880
doesn't make it that doesn't fit back

2023
01:15:16,130 --> 01:15:14,219
into the equation right well I mean to

2024
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,140
be fat Peter duesberg who's I think the

2025
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,480
most prominent and renowned critic of

2026
01:15:22,910 --> 01:15:20,640
the HIV equals AIDS hypothesis I think

2027
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:22,920
he considers there is an HIV virus it's

2028
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:25,500
just not causing AIDS but he also talks

2029
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,659
about that being a kind of halfway house

2030
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:29,040
and he thinks that's the direction will

2031
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:31,020
go is when people want to move away from

2032
01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:32,520
this idea that HIV causes AIDS they'll

2033
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:34,199
say well there are code factors that you

2034
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:36,120
have to have to for HIV to develop into

2035
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:37,800
AIDS but he doesn't accept that he said

2036
01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:39,920
no the HIV is irrelevant to AIDS so

2037
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:43,260
again if he's correct then

2038
01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:45,540
I don't think the HIV research is is

2039
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:46,980
really worth all that much then I would

2040
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:48,179
say it probably doesn't need you on the

2041
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:49,199
bin

2042
01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:51,719
well well if it but what what did you

2043
01:15:55,490 --> 01:15:53,699
just say there Richard I mean look the

2044
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:55,500
people that we really respect who really

2045
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:57,239
know what's going on they don't even

2046
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:00,780
give any Credence at all to the there is

2047
01:16:05,630 --> 01:16:04,199
no virus nonsense okay people that

2048
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,640
didn't notice the vaccination program

2049
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:07,860
was affect ineffective and didn't notice

2050
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:12,000
that AZT was clearly causing AIDS in

2051
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:13,620
people and not HIV through the 80s and

2052
01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:14,880
90s so

2053
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,500
if they can be wrong about that also the

2054
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:18,239
people that didn't notice the dgt polio

2055
01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:19,800
connection so I'm saying if they can be

2056
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:21,659
wrong about that is it possible they

2057
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:22,920
could be wrong about at least one more

2058
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:24,060
virus

2059
01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:26,100
they could be wrong well I don't even

2060
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:27,719
know you haven't even defined what wrong

2061
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:34,970
yeah maybe we have hammered it hammered

2062
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:36,300
it enough

2063
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:37,739
I think it's going to The Forum Alex I

2064
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,420
think this is the uh

2065
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:41,280
probably we're probably going in circles

2066
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:43,080
if we uh

2067
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:44,820
probably

2068
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:46,440
okay

2069
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,940
um

2070
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:49,679
yeah I think we we have kind of wrapped

2071
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:50,940
it up and you've kind of told us what's

2072
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:53,280
coming up on uh deep State Consciousness

2073
01:16:59,090 --> 01:16:55,500
so

2074
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:59,100
I'm sure you'll you'll kind of find your

2075
01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:00,840
way through it or I'll find my way

2076
01:17:04,610 --> 01:17:02,340
through it and I'll come out and say

2077
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:04,620
there's no such thing as viruses maybe

2078
01:17:08,570 --> 01:17:06,900
who knows maybe I'll I'll be writing a

2079
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:08,580
letter of apology and posting on the

2080
01:17:13,850 --> 01:17:10,739
skeptical form otherwise yeah I'll hold

2081
01:17:15,709 --> 01:17:13,860
up something to the screen

2082
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:15,719
well thanks for doing this I do think

2083
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,400
it's uh

2084
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,440
it's a good dialogue to have

2085
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:21,120
thank you for having me on I have found

2086
01:17:26,270 --> 01:17:23,340
it insightful in ways of conversing in

2087
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:26,280
text I've wondered at your position and

2088
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:28,500
it's kind of I think clearer to me now

2089
01:17:31,850 --> 01:17:29,699
the kind of underpinnings of our

2090
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,860
thinking that are different and why this

2091
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:33,420
arises so it's been very insightful for

2092
01:17:37,310 --> 01:17:34,560
me thank you

2093
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:37,320
thank you thanks again to Richard Cox

2094
01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:39,780
for joining me today on skeptico be sure

2095
01:17:45,169 --> 01:17:42,060
to check out deep State Consciousness

2096
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:45,179
podcast really are a lot of excellent

2097
01:17:49,610 --> 01:17:46,920
excellent interviews that he's done

2098
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:49,620
there so we hammered this to death where

2099
01:17:56,209 --> 01:17:52,800
did we wind up the question I would tee

2100
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,219
up is do you see why some people think

2101
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,280
the no virus thing is a psyop

2102
01:18:04,189 --> 01:18:01,679
I mean it isn't even worth discussing

2103
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:04,199
whether it's potentially true whether

2104
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:07,560
it's right it's obviously crazy just an

2105
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:10,320
inch or two above Flat Earth but do you

2106
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:12,060
think it's a psya

2107
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,280
let me know your thoughts track me down

2108
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,500
wherever you can skeptical form is great

2109
01:18:20,090 --> 01:18:18,600
if you want to get there otherwise just

2110
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:20,100
find me and let me know your thoughts

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love to hear from you until next time